Autism, PTSD, and Reactive Attachment Disorder?

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Seems like I remember someone recently discussing magnesium being beneficial with behavioral and neurological issues. Could magnesium help with aggressive and out of control behaviors related to disorders such as autism, PTSD, and Reactive Attachment Disorder? A friend of mine has an adopted son who has recently hit puberty, and has become increasingly threatening and unpredictable. Since hormones seem to be playing a role in his escalating behaviors, I wondered what impact balancing minerals might have on him. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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Jennifer 3 years 48 Answers 1334 views 0

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  1. I'm lost with all these initials like like HMTA! I don't have a clue! :/

  2. So is aggression associated with having too much copper? Or too little?

  3. HMTA Hair Mineral Test Analysis……hair sample about an inch from the scalp out, is tested and gives info on what has gotten in the cells instead of not able to get in the cells and I think also some things that show up there are showing dumping of things.

    I was going to suggest Ingrid Brandao to have them go through the HMTA and the 6 other tests outlined in the pinned note at the top. For hormone D and copper too. Instead of guessing when they do have issues. I will be doing the same with my son who had seizrues,' for no apparent reason"

    It was most likely the 95% of seizure cases that are from mineral deficiency and we use to know this and it was in books in 1890 and 1930 – 60's in Adelle Davis' Radical nutritionist books!

    Jennifer Frank Sorry and thank you for the soft and kind heads up—I easily could have insulted others with my comments. I am sorry this young human has things to get over, and by "no apparent reason" medically that is, like a growth, or tumor…otherwise it is imbalances. just IMO, but I am sure he will be able to deal with his past, and put it behind him far better once he gets some balance biochemically–it evens us out a lot, but does not erase abuse. Will help us not relive it every day though, or hurt from it forever.

    One of our members has been using a therapy that is kind of new, and is erasing past traumas, and she could not get good change with just the supps…this therapy has been monumental,a nd the supps then seem to be able to work too. Fetching the name of it.

  4. Jennifer – yes. Copper is very damaging to the nervous system.

  5. Maria, I like Dr. Garrett Smith, he did my Hair Mineral Analysis. I found him at 180degreehealth, they have a facebook page. the only problem is there's a three month wait and it's around

  6. sorry i hit enter. it's around $360. You need someone who can read the results and give you email support.

  7. There is a list of six highly qualified HTMA consultants i FILES, Their focuses as well as fees, do vary. They are all associated with this group.

  8. several here do that, including Morley Robbins and Rick Malter, there is a list, Pippa Galea feel free to add more, but they are in the files and not that much cost, not 360

  9. Jennifer Frank wishing your friend and this young man the very best in getting some peace and health – being a teen ought not be so tough! It may be the norm right now, but I don't think it has to be.

  10. Shar Bjerke, I knew what you were saying. If our minerals aren't balanced, it can affect our brain chemistry. And if stress depletes maggie, PTSD will most certainly deplete it. It makes complete sense. He can't overcome trauma if his brain isn't functioning properly.

  11. Ingrid- I haven't seen it first hand, just read about it while trying to figure out niacin for myself. If I were you I would read everything Abram Hoffer wrote about it. I've read two of his books "Niacin, The Real Story" and "Orthomolecular Medicine for Everyone" and they talk about the schitzophrenic uses for niacin but I think he has whole books just on that subject. Your life sounds hard! Good luck!

  12. I want to wish all a Merry Christmas and thanks all for sharing!

  13. My son has autism. Epsom salt and baking soda baths are supposed to be good for many things, including calming the hormone thing. Also if the child has an issue in the GABA cycle, avoid all excitotoxins and supplement with GABA. It really helped my son who had this problem. But a genetic profile such as the one Amy Yasko does would give you the most detailed information for your particular case. And would help guide you in supplements.

  14. I will pass along all this info to her! You guys are awesome!

  15. Will do!!

  16. Jennifer, aggression is strongly correlated with a high sodium/potassium ratio in the HTMA because this high ratio is related to very intenbse stress — the fight or flight responseb. Also, PTSD and abuse often show in the HTMAbb with the high sodium/potassium ratio that causes a substantial loss of Mg from inside of cells. In a number of ways, the HTMA is a powerful psychological test as well as a physiological and metabolic test.

  17. Fascinating! I wish I could afford to go into private practice so I could focus more on a natural approach to healing.

  18. is it possible to know what typically causes excess copper build up? And high sodium/potassium? Is it just from the foods we eat? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

  19. I for one don't think of diagnosis' as "labels" or that it's a bad thing. It can be very helpful to caregivers or teachers etc to better understand what someone is struggling with and how to better assist them. Also I do not agree that labels just give a person an excuse to misbehave. If it's an accurate diagnosis but not getting proper treatment then a child cannot control them or turn them on an off.

  20. Diagnoses often lead to stereotyping by teachers and others. The purpose of most diagnoses has more to do with billing and provision of services than treatment interventions. Labels focus on problems instead of solutions. Kids can present with ADHD symptoms, but one my be highly anxious with poor coping skills, one may be witnessing domestic violence or being abused, one may have parents who are going through a divorce, one may be highly gifted and bored in their classroom, one may be overstimulated by watching too much TV and never going outside, the list goes on and on. But if a teacher opens a file for a new student and sees that he has ADHD, the teacher immediately makes assumptions. Having the label of ADHD doesn't help the child excel. Getting to know the child who is struggling and helping that child deal with their triggers is where the magic lies. Not in a pill.

  21. yes, it can
    EFT is useful too for the RAD

  22. Jennifer, I Iibbke your discussion bof diagnoses in the context of insurance billing and the way teachers often stereobtype kids when they see a diagnosisbb like ADHD. Diagnoses are often based on superficial assessments and jumping to conclusions. Far too many diagnosticians lack awareness and knowledge of Mg deficiency and copper toxicity. They quickly label people with a diagnosis without considering the effect of Mg deficiency and/or copper toxicity. Nor do they consider the factors that you have thoughtfully enumerated.

  23. Rick Malter, I'm a clinical therapist (LCSW) with lots of experience in the school setting, as well as a mother of gifted children. I don't like the idea of medications in most situations, ESPECIALLY for children. I've always encouraged parents to use dietary changes and behavior modification techniques (which often means the parents need to change their own behaviors, lol), but to be honest, I am just now learning about the role of Mg and copper in behavioral/emotional issues. I'm very excited and encouraged by what I am learning! I wish more therapists were exposed to such information through trainings!! And it all makes perfectly logical physiological sense!

  24. Valerie- I think I was born with it- if your mom has high copper it's passed to the baby in pregnancy. Anything that raises estrogen raises copper, so you will add to the level of copper in your body if you take birth control pills or get pregnant. Also any medicine that has drowsy effects like sleep meds, even benydril contributes to high copper, and especially benzodiazapines (like valium or my favorite – restoril). Some women who never had problems get high copper all at once from a copper IUD. Also copper pipes can contribute. It can also have a genetic component where some people just don't detoxify well, but it's one of those which came first, the chicken or the egg, as far as whether or not your liver makes ceruloplasm, which is needed to bind to copper and make it usable to the cells. The liver can be blocked with copper and then can't make ceruloplasm so the copper builds up worse. I think that's it in a nutshell!

  25. Mel Weaver Rick Malter posted some useful info about sodium/potassium ratio.

  26. Jennifer, my PhD is in school and educational psychology. I think I would have enjoyed working with you in the schools. We share similar views in regard tbo "diagnoses" and understanding children's problems. Here is a link to one of my articles on HTMAbb, Mg, and copper toxicity. http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1994/articles/1994-v09n02-p079.shtml

  27. Thank you Rick Malter! My last job before becoming a stay at home mom to my 3 yo (I'm 43), was at a state juvenile detention center. I worked with "serious offenders"–often gang members with gun-related charges. It was one of the most rewarding jobs I've ever had. The program was treatment based…like an inpatient psychiatric facility inside razor wire…the psychiatrists there were great, and open to exploring solutions beyond traditional western medicine. I bet they would be open to exploring the benefits of balancing minerals! Especially with the harder cases!

  28. Jennifer, you were very fortunate to have such a good professional experience in a state juvenile detention center. HTMA would have been very helpful in determining whether underlying biochemical factors contributed to or exacerbated the problems of these "serious offenders." Biochemist William Walsh, Ph.D. did volunteer work with violent prisonersb at Joliet State Penitentiary. He used HTMA to determine the distinguishing mineral patterns of violent individuals compared with controls. This work has led him to refine his assessments so he can guide the treatment of individuals with many different psychological problems.

  29. Wow! That is so cool!! How amazing it must be to be on the cutting edge of treatment services!!!

  30. Jennifer, I was fortunate to have met Dr. Walsh and to have been on some professional forums with him. I received a signed copy of his latest book on Nutrient Power using nutrient interventions to heal the brain and improve psychological functioning. He gave me a nice acknowledgement of my work with the psychological Judge (inner terrorist). bbHe now focuses on methylation issues — over and under methylation. My impression is that over methylation relates to slow oxidation on the HTMA. Under methylation relates to fast oxidation on the HTMA.b bb

  31. Is Nutrient Power the name of his new book?

  32. Yes, *Nutrient Power* is the name of Dr. Walsh's new book. He also has
    made several short you tube videos discussing the biochemistry of different psychological problems.

  33. Thank you. I managed to find his book and a video through Pinterest. I just spent the last hour preaching to my adult son about magnesium and other nutrients, the impact of stress on his immune system, etc. He's had a very stressful evening, and has started feeling sick (cold/flu symptoms) in the past hour or so. I was telling him about the natural remedies I have used with 100% success, such as cinnamon+honey, diatomaceous earth, etc., but he calls it all "hippy dippy" stuff. Lol. That boy drives me nuts!

  34. Jennifer, if you send me an e-mail ([email protected]), I'll send you some additional information about communicating with teens and adult children about the natural remedies and nutrition knowledge that we have learned about. I have 4 adult children and 12 grandchildren so I know something about the challenges of communicating our "hippy dippy" stuff to close relatives. Usually, with family members, our professional training, degrees, licenses, and credentials don't mean anything. Magnesium deficiency is a special case because there is so little room for error. I know from both personal and professional experience that an extremely severe Mg deficiency can bring on a sudden massive fatal heart attack triggered by an intense stress. In far too many cases of severe Mg deficiency, there are no second chances.

  35. Ahhh, but I never said the proper treatment was in a pill. The proper treatment could of course be with vitamin/ mineral supplementaion, therapy, etc. But my point was – to say that a child with a diagnosis just gives him an excuse to misbehave badly… well, as a therapist that statement disturbs me. If we're talking about public schools – unfortunately, it's true, there are teachers who sterotype and the child suffers. But you know what? That teacher is going to sterotype based on what she sees in the classroom anyway. Whether she read an IEP beforehand or not. If everyone assumes the child is just behaving badly, must be bad parenting at home etc. then there is already stereotyping and prejudice that has taken place. In most cases that "label" may be the child's only chance at receiving ANY effort toward a solution or assitance during the day. While many children are misdiagnosed there are many who are correctly diagnosed by very qualified professionals and proper treatment and understanding cannot take place until then.

  36. Valerie Val no offense meant, but I am a teacher and I work long and hard with my students and their behaviors. I fight against the stereotypes and the bad parenting mentality. I believe the food that is being severed to children is a major reason for behaviors we see in the classrooms. I have pushed for gardens to teach children how to grow fruits and vegetables, tend chickens for eggs but it lands on deaf ears. I have begged for multiple recess breaks throughout the day again nothing but deaf ears. In most cases, the classroom teacher is as powerless as the out of control student. Teachers are TOLD what we WILL do with our students. I work on CBT type methods in my classroom and I share information about nutrition and supplements with my parents. I, as a classroom teacher, am NOT brought into meetings regarding suspensions and or discipline outcomes. Sadly what I get is a form with an action written on it. I have requested that I be given the opportunity to settle down any of my students that are out of control while at activities or lunch. Bottom line it is not always the teachers, it is the system. I work with these kids, MY kids, I care for them and honestly want to help them succeed both academically and emotionally. I, myself have dealt with depression and other emotional issues due to Hashimoto's thyroiditis and understand very well the impact of diet, vitamins and nutrition. I want to help children and their families, that is why I teach.

  37. Sandra Stone, we need more teachers like you! You sound like me when I was a therapist at a juvenile detention facility! I wanted the kids to grow gardens, raise chickens and goats (for the milk), etc. They even had the land for it! They did start an agricultural class and grew things in a greenhouse. But I left without seeing any big changes. Kudos to you for trying to be more involved! Kids usually have that one person that can calm them down. Sounds like you are that person in the school!

  38. That's one of the reasons I'm homeschooling my son this year! He was miserable and acting up in school (when I could get him out of bed to attend) and I wanted to have him in an environment where he's not being stifled. Everybody at school treated me like I was a "bad parent" and part of the problem, completely ignoring his unique needs. He didn't fall into their categories of "special ed" but he wasn't learning the way they taught either.

    Many of his symptoms of depression and aggression cleared up when I increased his dose of fish oil. Symptoms return when he's not consistent about taking them.

    Parenting an adolescent (or two) is HARD! And I'm not dealing with kids were were abused or neglected and then uprooted into a whole new family.

  39. And I have seen far too many kids who get pushed into an ADHD diagnosis because a teacher wants them medicated so they will sit still and be quiet. I've also seen parents want their children receive a diagnosis for the same reason, or so they can get a disability check, or "crazy check" as they call it. And I've seen FAR too many children who have given up on themselves, because they are led to believe that the power of change lies outside of them, such as in a pill, instead of inside of them. I've heard a child say, "well, I'm going to have a bad day today because mom forgot to give me my pill.". They aren't being malicious in using their diagnosis as an excuse to behave badly. They are being taught that their behavior has an external locus of control, rather than internal. Even if the diagnosis is a "proper" diagnosis it is still a label that is limiting, and can have detrimental effects on how a child sees themselves. A change in paradigm is needed.

  40. Rick Malter, I just sent you an email.

  41. Sandra Stone – I couldn't agree with you more. No offense taken. My comment was in response to a previous comment. There is definately a problem with the system and hands being tied to help a child with disabilities is very frustrating for teachers. My point, again was that children who are properly diagnosed and have a true disability is not giving them an excuse to behave badly. I am also a parent of a wonderful twice exceptional child. We eat clean, we supplement with vitamins and minerals, we are good parents with solid parenting skills (aka for those who like to hear that we discipline when needed) and guess what? My child still cannot control his behavior. I do know there are teachers such as yourself and I'm so grateful there are but there are many people and in the public school system that prefer to blame the child (or the parents) and this shows a lack of understanding of the true diagnosis.

  42. Valerie Val, the following link may be helpful. It's about Dabrowski's Theory of Overexcitabilities. It talks about how those who are gifted have areas of intensities, and that they can present as mental illness but are actually related to the intensity with which they experience the world around them due to their high sensitivity as a gifted child. Most treatments don't work with gifted children, because it is the core of who they are that is causing "symptoms*. http://sengifted.org/archives/articles/overexcitability-and-the-gifted

  43. I'm quite familiar with gifted children, children on the spectrum, children with various diagnosis, 2e kids, how they present, mis- diagnosis' etc. Thank you. You continue to miss my point.

  44. Did you at least look at this link?

  45. Nice share, Jennifer Frank. The whole thread is so nice to learn from, thank you all!

  46. Ruth Lanton..Good for you on homeschooling! For those reasons too! I hope it is going well and thank you for sharing. Can you tell me PM if you like, what fish oil your teen uses that makes a difference? Thanks.

  47. didnt read all the comments, hope someone answered the question valerie. : )

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