Potassium can deplete magnesium

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I know that magnesium is necessary for the body to hold onto potassium. I think I understand the basic how and why of that (mag is essential for the ATP that powers the ion pumps that pump potassium into the cell and sodium out of the cell.) Conversely, I have been told that too much potassium can deplete magnesium. Can someone here explain the how and why of that? If you don’t know how or why, do you have personal experience with taking potassium and having it deplete your magnesium?

If you followed my last post here, I hope you will understand that I am feeling sensitive right now about receiving advice. Please just share your knowledge and/or experience and leave your advice for me on the shelf.

Thank you! My love,
Beth

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Elizabeth 3 years 48 Answers 1306 views 0

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  1. I do energy healing Elizabeth; if you've never tried it, Id recommend it. I can do a couple of free remote healings for you, if you're interested.

  2. Kim, so it seems to me that if I want to know for sure if I'm taking too much potassium that one way to do it would be to test my aldosterone. If I'm taking too much, it will either be high or my blood potassium will be too high and my adrenals will be stressed. Yes?

  3. My arms are really bothering me today, so I probably won't be able to type much, btw.

  4. Elizabeth, I would recommend anyone supplementing with potassium have their potassium tested on an regular basis until a baseline is met and they are in stable health. An occasional ECG is also important intil this same goal is met. I would have my aldosterone tested if I were having trouble maintaining magnesium or potassium levels. One more piece of the puzzle.

  5. Elizabeth, it can really be a matter of which came first, the chicken or the egg when it comes to this. I know that hyperaldosteronism causes hypokalemia, but this isn't a question of not enough intake. Regulating potassium and sodium is the PROPER function of aldosterone, so if you take in too much, it is normal for aldosterone to go up TEMPORARILY in order to rebalance things. Of course, if you overdose (which is difficult to do except with a very high dose supplement), you can overwhelm this system). There is also such a thing as HYPOaldosteronism; too little aldosterone would cause you to RETAIN too much potassium (hyperkalemia) and excrete too much sodium (hyponatremia). So I don't believe that testing aldosterone levels is an accurate way to assess potassium intake. In this case, if the imbalances are not correcting with diet and/or supplementation, I would say that whatever your primary underlying issue(s) is/are is affecting the mechanism that is supposed to balance them. Testing to see if your aldosterone is normal may be an appropriate thing to do, but it is the ratio between aldosterone and an enzyme called renin, which works in tandem with both aldosterone and angiotensin. The lab tests are serum aldosterone and plasma renin. Still, if there is a problem with those levels, you will also need to find out WHY. One possibility is the fluoride exposure, but that is only one. This may be something that you want to discuss testing with Dr. Beck.

  6. The beginning of this video just shows a little Anatomy & Physiology in relation to angiotensin, renin, and aldosterone. He does pronounce the terms a little differently than in the US.

  7. Well, my symptoms were of low aldosterone for two years (rapid wasting of sodium) after i tried to stop Flonase and then when i added adrenal cortex extract (literally 1-3 drops, a very small amount), I switched to wasting potassium and began having to supplement with 200mg of K asporotate every two hours. Now, I am taking slow release K (quite a bit), so if I don't actually need what I am taking or if I'm taking too much, I would expect that my aldosterone would show high at a fairly constant level, since the potassium is slow release. No? BTW, I bought a $350 K+ meter, so I can test my K that way, at home- regularly. Been too overwhelmed to do it, but if I feel that it needs to be a priority I will work on doing that. If I test my K with the meter and its in range, then i would suspect that either I am taking what my body is needing because I am wasting that much K or my aldosterone would be high in order to excrete the extra K. Am I off the mark here?

  8. Marianne , i don't see a video posted.

  9. Also, I'm not urinating in any substantial amount, so I wouldn't suspect high aldosterone based on that.

  10. Don't know what happened? Will re-post.

  11. What is your blood pressure like? Do you have a meter? And have you tried orthostatic readings?

  12. My blood pressure is usually good. I'll have my dad take one right now. brb.

  13. Do you mean sitting then standing, Kim?

  14. Yes, Elizabeth. Lie down for 3 minutes, then take it. Sit for 5, repeat. Stand for 5, repeat.

  15. Sorry, 3 not 5

  16. Oh, I've never done it laying down as well. But in the past it dropped or stayed the same when I stood. There's pretty much no way that i can stand for 3 minutes these days. I could maybe do a minute.

  17. How does your heart rate respond when you stand?

  18. When I sit up fast or stand up fast, I don't get dizzy like i did before i started taking adrenal cortex extract. I don't notice an issue with my heart when i stand. It feels more like structural constraints are holding me back. My neck gets pissed off, my stomach feels pulled (I go into what i think are vagus nerve crashes at my stomach). It sit and feel like i can't breathe or move

  19. But there is a general weakness/fatigue happening as well. It's not just structural.

  20. This explains the system in relation to low blood pressure but you can determine how other changes effect each other. As he describes this scenario, urine output would decrease because fluid is being retained to be shifted into the cells.
    https://youtu.be/bonQXcA5Dnc

  21. What about thirst? Mouth or lips dry no matter how much you drink?

  22. Good thinking Kim. I was about to suggest.

  23. No, I don't feel thirsty in any unpleasant way. I have entirely stopped drinking water by itself though because my body doesn't want it right now. I drink lemon in water, himalayan salt in water, organic milk (raw when i can get it), chicken broth or spirulina in water.

  24. If i were to drink water alone, yes, I think i would be unpleasantly thirsty.

  25. What type of water do you use?

  26. Reverse osmosis

  27. That is pure, certainly, but there has been a lot of writing on that – saying it is not really hydrating (no minerals). Fiji water contains high levels of silicon, which, according to studies, helps remove aluminum from the body. I don't know if you have had that show up in any of your testing, but that is also highly neurotoxic, so it might be something to consider that's not just another supplement.

    It sounds like the potassium you're taking now is sufficient; if it were too much or two little, you would be getting more distinct symptoms. Specifically, too much would likely lower your blood pressure or heart rate too much or cause it to beat irregularly.

    Don't forget, there may be more than one "answer". I still suspect that flouride is a big part of it as long as you have been on Flonase, but again, that's something that Dr. Beck can look at in testing. It may be that you will have to very gradually cut back over a long period of time while simultaneously doing a very low and slow detox of that and supporting minerals along the way. That alone could improve many things. But you could have more than one thing going on as well, and follow up testing to find out the "why" for some of your irregular tests (i.e., prolactin) will also be important. I think you'll be in good hands with Dr. Beck 🙂

  28. I think that everything you've said about the fluoride and detox is wise, Kim. I'm still not clear about whether or not the amount of K that I'm taking could be worsening my magnesium loss. I have settled on the amount that I'm taking partly because of the size that the slow release K has been prescribed in. I'm wondering if I need to take a little less and if asking my doctor to prescribe a smaller amount of slow K might help me to have less mag loss.

  29. Elizabeth, additionally, consider this: http://www.mgwater.com/fl2.shtml I know I am going to sound like a broken record, but fluoride also causes magnesium deficiency, and magnesium regulates the absorption and utilization of so many other minerals. Without dealing with the flouride issue, supplementing may be like trying to fill a bathtub without the hole plugged. And no, that may not be the only issue, but long-term it could certainly do a lot of damage.

  30. Honestly Kim, out of all of the theories, the one that has been presented recently and makes the most sense to me, is that I detoxed fluoride out of safer storage spaces in my brain when i took those minerals and that is what is causing the cramping and paralysis. So please keep sending me info about it. Thank you!

  31. What does the doc say about tiny doses of iodine Elizabeth? I gave my son 288mcg spray and instantly, within two days, his T3&T4 bloods improved. Next week, one spray and same effect. Something to consider is you may have zero iodine like my son. Normal is between 9 to 14, not zero

  32. His antibodies were 52 in March and latest test says they're at 22.9!!! Dramatic!

  33. All the docs and naturopaths, bar one, told me to avoid iodine like the plague. Glad I listened to my gut and researched it properly. The Professor says 288mcg is a physiological dose and should be fine, so that's how we started his recovery from Graves Disease

  34. That's an unscientific test Marianne; easiest and safest test for Elizabeth is a spot test. Cost in Aust is $50

  35. Most professionals recommend a 24 hour iodine loading test as the most accurate, and I have done one, but it's probably not appropriate for everyone. Anyone with a hot thyroid nodule would be an obvious example. But in Elizabeth's condition, that might not be the best test either.

  36. Spot test is pee in cup. Easy and non invasive!!! We did spot test only, for my son as 12.5Mg isn't a good idea when you're not well.

  37. Can you spot test without taking a large dose of iodine, Palla? I think that might kill me.

  38. You don't ingest anything! It's just a pee test! Highly recommend it to everyone! It's not covered by Medicare in Aust and that's the sole reason I was given as to why iodine levels are not routinely checked.

  39. It was so life changing for my son, we had the whole family checked and we all had a deficiency, but nowhere near as bad. Mine came up at 60% which is still low

  40. oh wonderful, Palla.

  41. Yes, it ridicously expensive!!

  42. Using the method I provided costs less than $4 with tax. Then if you need to you get a reliable test done. $65 is outrageous for a screening test and then still have to get tested.

  43. Dr Brownstein says its unscientific and waste of time. It's Elizabeth's choice, obviously! She wanted to try iodine a while back and became sick before she got the chance. I think it's worth $65 for peace of mind. One less thing to check. GP will do it; Naturopath will do it, you just have to ask.

  44. It is not worth the $65 if you don't need the test. The spot test is not accurate either. The 24-hour iodine loading test might still be required. The patch test gives you an idea of whether to bother having any further testing done. If your skin absorbs none of the iodine there is no need to spend any further money. Then go from there. Then you can decide if you want to spend the money for the spot test. But before spending the money on a spot test make sure you have a healthcare provider who will prescribe your iodine doses if the test shows a deficiency. You are going to have to start at very, very tiny doses. Many practitioners will NOT work from the spot test; only the 24-hour loading test. I don't know if your body can handle the 24-hour loading test. You will need to discuss that with Anthony Beck, your ND, and nurse practitioner.

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