Relationship between Potassium (K) & Sodium (Na) ?

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What is the relationship between Potassium (K) & Sodium (Na) please? If I’m increasing K (to support adrenals) will Na be reduced?

Could too much Na (as Celtic Sea Salt) crash K?

And so should both be increased in equal measure? In the ratio of 2:1 (K:Na)?

Thank you

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Mark 2 years 13 Answers 351 views 0

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  1. Sodium works outside the cell and Potassium inside the cell. Too much sodium makes it hard for the potassium to get in.

  2. Mark, when I did some research after first joining, I found lots of references to making sure one's diet includes a 2:1 ratio of potassium:sodium. When one eats more sodium than potassium, I think that is when edema and bloating happen. I use the app my fitness pal to track my potassium and make sure I get 4700-5000 mg a day depending on my exercise/sweat level for that day. I feel best when I do this and eat about 2ish teaspoons of Celtic salt daily.

  3. Sorry, seem to be app challenged. I have downloaded my fitness pal. How does one input foods?

  4. Mark Gerrards.Not sure where I found this to reference a link !
    Explanation of Na/K – Sodium/Potassium by Dr. Thompson

    "The sodium/potassium ratio is essential for the creation of membrane potential for every cell in our bodies. It is the basis for MRI studies. This electrical potential is actually what they are measuring. It also controls fluid (water) homeostasis everywhere in the body (inside and out of cells) and acid base status. Nearly 90% of the world has low sodium and significantly compromised membrane electrical potential.

    The energy for this potential comes from ATP which charges the 2nd and 4th carbon of the organic end of the protein molecules imbedded in cellular membranes and obviously requires Mag. This is called the Ling Hypothesis. I discuss it in the Calcium Lie 2 (S/PMEP, Kathleen Barnes though of that letter alphabet to shorten the phrase. i.e. Sodium/Potassium membrane electrical potential). It was new to me since the first book. There is no such thing as a sodium pump. Everything you see about that is incorrect. It is all electrical and secondarily magnetic, i.e. the basis for MRI technology which actually confirms all this stuff.

    Most specifically the Sodium/potassium ratio is normally about 2.4:1 with intracellular concentrations of sodium at about 22 being normal and potassium being 13. Only stress and excess adrenal output is most commonly associated with sodium excess (this is almost never a diet issue, it is a sodium retention issue and is nearly always associated with a low calcium and lower magnesium level) and this is less than 10% of all HTMA results.

    Chronic stress as I point out in Chapter 8, of the Calcium Lie 2, also leads to potassium retention. These patients have high sodium GERD, increased chances of HBP, and often have significant fluid retention. Amino acid deficiency diseases are less common in these patients, although type A personality is common and this creates other issues.

    HCTZ is helpful in correcting this if both sodium and potassium are elevated and treating the stress (walking 30 minutes every day). Certain medications used to treat hypertension are contraindicated if the HTMA confirms high potassium. This includes ACE inhibitors (lisinopril and all the "prils") and Angiotension 2 blockers (cozar and the like), both of which cause potassium retention. This is pointed out in my book lecture where is conclude 90% of all hypertension in the world is being treated incorrectly because of not knowing the total body sodium and potassium levels and the ratio. Great question! HCTZ should never be used if the intracellular potassium is low, no matter what. Spironolactone would be a better choice if potassium correction is needed and fluid retention is a problem……."

  5. So this article is suggesting the REVERSE ratio?? ~2:1 Na:K as opposed to K:Na which was referenced earlier in the thread & which I've heard before.
    Can anyone clarify with certainty? Thanks

  6. You question is complex and interesting. It is recommended we have only one teaspoon of Na a day which is 2300mg but you need 4700mg of potassium so by that it would be 1:2 roughly. If you have a HTMA (Hair Analysis) you can work out you ratio's. The Ratio of Na/K is an important ratio the vitality Ratio. It should be 2.40 and if it is too high you would need more potassium if it is low you would need more salt. It is sometimes called the life and death ratio and effects your kidney, liver and adrenal function. From my understanding most people get enough Na but don't get enough potassium. The AC has 575 mg of sodium and 372 mg of potassium which is 1.5:1. I think without the tests if your blood pressure is high you need more potassium and if it is low you need more Na. The main point is you need both

  7. Mark Gerrards
    Let's learn from one of the GREATS on this topic re Electrolytes:
    Schroll, 2002: http://www.mgwater.com/schroll.shtml

    A votre sante!

  8. Is it possible to be high on serum potassium yet to be low on potassium HTMA?

  9. Uh oh, I added way much tar tar, is that make side affects

  10. "Concomitantly to the calcium overload the cell additionally will be swamped by sodium, whereas potassium together with magnesium leaves the cell. Summarising, a magnesium deficiency is followed by a cellular potassium deficiency, which again causes a sodium and calcium over load of the cell. Then the electrolyte homeostasis between intra- and extracellular space is disturbed maximally: a total electrolyte imbalance now dominates." Wow! I have to make time to read much more. This info is incredible.

  11. And even though as a child birth educator I taught and pushed nutrition for optimum labor and delivery I think I focused on vitamins and the role of protein and keeping blood volume steady but didn't fully understand the role of minerals. So much more is clicking

  12. How does mineral deficiencies play into prodromal labor?

  13. what a great question Mark, thank you!

    the resulting answers & all the information – just wow! one of the best threads i've seen here 🙂

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