Well I am so against HPV so will refuse that one.

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I need some advice.. got some forms sent home from my daughters school in regards to vaccinating for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, meningococcal and HPV. Well I am so against HPV so will refuse that one. But what about the others? I am pretty much against vaccines but then the fear gets the best of you and then you question yourself. What do you all think?

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  1. Marcie Gawryluk-Chisholm I totally understand about fear, but never make decisions based on fear.

  2. What state are you? Most states still have medical and religious exemptions. I agree with checking the ingredients and side effects for each vaccine. Difficult to trust when vaccine manufacturers have no liability if you suffer a vaccine injury. You can file a claim with the NVICP which is maintained by taxpayers $$$ and it takes years for a case to be heard.

  3. It's a personal choice. My son is vax injured so….

  4. Im in Canada. I was vaccine injured by the flu shot (brain inflammation and in stroke unit) This is why I am having a hard time deciding on what to do for my kids. Definitely say no to HPV but not sure about the others.

  5. I would never say what someone should do. But I regret giving it to my kids. I would never give my daughter hpv. Just gave her mmr during the scare (pressure from family). Regret it big time.

  6. When the hpv vaccine first came out I did massive research on it. The manufacturer papers said not to use it IF you were pregnant it planning in becoming pregnant. My granddaughters friend who has the vaccine are having fertility problems.

    The meningitis vaccine is one I'd consider there were conditions of possible exposure. The illness is very bad for everyone including anyone nearby. Had to take antibiotics when husband's co-worker came down with it.

    Good luck. Study then file your heart.

  7. No no no and no

  8. You can delay but you can't unvaccinate. Go with your gut. It's a personal choice. As for nurses, "that's between me and my dr thank you".

  9. File an exemption.

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    Keep in mind, if your healthy kids get one of those dis-eases you'll know what you're dealing with. Taking in a vaccine, you have no idea what's _really_ in it and how your child will react to it. When they say "one in whatever the figure is has a reaction

  10. There are very strong opinions regarding vaccinations and you will likely hear both sides of the debate. I respect an individual's choice. However, I could not, in good conscience, vaccinate my children after I did my research. I made the decision not to vaccinate my children 21 years ago and have never looked back. They are now 22, 18, and 14 and are happy and healthy….rarely ever get sick. It's a very personal choice and you must make the decision you feel is best for your children. Make an educated decision and do your research. Blessings on your journey 🙂

  11. Please join the group Vaccination Re-education Discussion Forum. It is a great place to ask questions like this. Lots of info and knowledgeable people 🙂

  12. Some good information is in this link especially pertaining to DTP. Some information is based on U.S. vaccine schedule.
    http://journeyboost.com/2015/03/26/8-questions-to-handle-a-pro-vax-assault/

  13. I'd like to recommend joining the Gentle Informants FB group, and pose your question there.

  14. A good read below… Vaccines are not sterile and I believe they contain disease causing pathogens…based upon the tissues that were used to create them. Mycoplasma, viruses, bacteria, parasites, even Lyme (from infected animal hosts). There is a connection to Autism and Lyme/Mycoplasma and most of these children were vaccine-injured or mom had one of these infections. I am much more afraid of the vaccines then any of the diseases they claim to, "prevent". I personally don't believe work anyway, but just my opinion.

    http://gnowfglins.com/2013/02/08/4-things-you-didnt-know-about-vaccines/

  15. A definite "NO" on the HPV. There are way too many injuries and deaths from that one. Meningococcal is still in its early years on the market. I'd pass on that as well. The others I'd likely do, one or two at a time spaced at least a month apart.

  16. Please watch this documentary on YouTube (The Greater Good). It is full of info and includes both sides of the debate. One of the vaccines they talk about is the HPV vaccine.
    http://youtu.be/o_nWp6ZHA2Q

  17. If you get them vaccinated, give them mega doses of vitamin c.

  18. I know my comment will probably be misconstrued but I have 5 children 4 all adults now all vaccinated back then it wasn't even a blip in the radar not to vaccinate, today with my 8 year old I did think twice for only about 30 seconds, the diseases that vaccines are guarding are children against are so scared and dangerous I felt as his mother like the other four my mind was saying do it . I pray each of us are making the right call, it's so confusing with all the stats from both sides, my parents did it and we did as well. I couldn't let the possibility of a deadly disease creep in his life bc I was to scared to make the call, I pray I made the right one and that all you guys make the right one for your family as well:)

  19. Lisa, that's pretty much where I'm coming from. We still have polio survivors who live in great pain because of the disease. If you've ever heard a baby with whooping cough (pertussis), you don't ever want to hear it again, it's heart-breaking. I think it's shameful that vaccines have been speed-dialed into children's bodies, and that inferior ingredients are used. I believe some vaccines may be available without preservatives (some flu vaccines are), but you have to ask for them and they may not be covered by insurance.

  20. Can't tell you what to do, but if I were a mom of young kids again, NO! We didn't have the net or know what y'all know now to stay informed. We just did what we were told years ago

  21. The HPV thing scares me, my best friend died of cervical cancer a few years ago, she never had pap smears or any vacines…. and as we know we can't trust many Doctor's opinions, what to do?

  22. Go with what you feel is right. Can't do anything more than that…

  23. NOOOOO…RESEARCH!!!!!

  24. Get your daughter vaccinated – go with the science – it may not be perfect but imagine her getting one of those diseases.

  25. you know i was vacinated as a child and so was my son but i must admit that nowadays im not sure how safe it is due to all the process foods we eat and everything else we put in our bodies.i got the flu shot this year and had so many reactions that i will refuse it from now on.last year wasnt a problem so idk,maybe its a choiice you need to make for your child.but maybe you can ask her what she thinks depending on her age.good luck on what you do…

  26. My son is 14 months and has never been vaccinated. If you understand how the body works and functions you will realize vaccines are completely unnecessary. Vaccines run on the emergency response or secondary response. It completely shuts down their strongest and main immune response which is responsible for fighting cancer, bacteria, ect. The more you vaccinate the more their main response is not being used or worked at all. To the point where it becomes so weak it cannot even function anymore and your body will begin to create auto immune diseases. And herd immunity was originally based on children who caught an ailment naturally. Not from being vaccinated. And if you have only been vaccinated your whole life and have never caught something natural, you cannot pass any built up immunity to your baby through breast milk because vaccines don't give you any kind of immunity. Not to mention any live virus vaccine sheds. Meaning the person who was vaccinated.. Their body has to be able to fight off the virus before they can't spread it to other people. They can spread it in the back of their throats and in their feces. All these ailments they try to scare people about, are not so scary. It's more common that your child will be vaccine injured than they are to die from catching an ailment naturally. For instance, the number of people who were catching polio was on the decrease and was almost gone until they introduced the vaccine. Which brought the number of infected people back up. You need to watch the documentary "BOUGHT". Kids are going to get sick. That is normal and it's life. It's actually not good to NEVER get sick. You just have to accept that fact. But you have to be confident and educate yourself on how to treat your child naturally. My son just had a week long ear infection, was throwing up, teething from his molars coming in, had a 102.1 fever I treated him in 5 days with just at home remedies. Before that he had only been sick one other time and I got rid of it in less than 12 hours. We have an immune system for a reason. God or whoever you believe in didn't forget anything when he made us. Learn how the immune system and body works and which supplements and foods boost your immunity. And stay away from feeding your child grains, dairy, sugars, rice cereals, processed foods, baby foods at the store. Get organic, non gmo products and make your foods home made. Breastfeed as long as you can. Breast milk is the only vaccine your child needs.

  27. I have a vaccine damaged child. If I had it to do all over again….knowing what I know now, I would opt out.

  28. I usually hear most moms saying "vaccinate! You don't want to get anyone sick" but it's just ridiculous if you have done your research like you ladies have! I was so happy to read all these replies and find so many well educated parents. We don't vaccinate yet (my children are all under 3) and I plan to hold off as long as possible because there are so many reasons to protect our little ones immune systems from them. The fact alone that vaccine manufactures cannot be held accountable for vaccine damage (even death is severe cases) is outrageous. The risks are real and no one has the right to scare you into subjecting your child to it! You are the momma – you know best!

  29. If you inject yourself with poison you get poisoned.

  30. DTaP
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/combo-vaccine-may-raise-babies-risk-for-fever-caused-seizures/

    Risk of febrile seizures and epilepsy after vaccination with diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, inactivated polio virus, and Haemophilus influenza type B
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22357833/

    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/221854460_Risk_of_Febrile_Seizures_and_Epilepsy_After_Vaccination_With_Diphtheria_Tetanus_Acellular_Pertussis_Inactivated_Poliovirus_and_Haemophilus_Influenzae_Type_b

    Recurrent seizures after diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine immunization. Onset less than 24 hours after vaccination.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6206715/

    "Whooping Cough infections are common in an immunized population."
    Journal of the American Medical Association, 1998

    "In 1979 Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times."
    British Medical Journal 283:696-697, 1981

    "For an individual child the risk is greater from the whooping cough vaccine than the disease."
    Dr. Joanne Hatem, Medical Director, Vaccine National Information Center, Virginia
    Viera Scheibner

    "In the USA in 1978, they mandated vaccination it resulted in a three fold increase in the reported incidence of whooping cough."
    Viera Scheibner PhD showing graphs from Tokai Journal of Experimental Biology and Medicine, 1988

    In The New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under five years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

    "Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are being reported in Norway and Denmark."
    British Medical Journal, 1998

    The misconception that “if you don't vaccinate, you place others at risk” is based on an assumption that vaccinated people do not get the disease they were vaccinated for. Did you know that a controlled study published in BMJ in school age children showed that of all the whooping cough that was diagnosed, over 86% of the children were fully vaccinated and up to date for the whooping cough vaccine? There are similar studies showing that mumps and measles breakouts often affect the vaccinated. People who are vaccinated can have their immune systems altered in a manner that leads to susceptibility to other infectious diseases, and can also leave them vulnerable to the disease they were vaccinated for –
    http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7560/174.full

    A very noteworthy study was published in 2013, looking at baboons, which are susceptible and manifest whooping cough like humans do. In the study by Warfel, baboons who were either vaccinated or not vaccinated were later exposed to pertussis bacteria, something that cannot be done experimentally in humans (due to ethical considerations), but which yields very important data. Expectedly, the baboons that had never been infected got the cough and remained colonized with bacteria for a maximum of 38 days. Baboons that were previously vaccinated and immune vaccine-style, became colonized upon later exposure for a longer time than the naïve baboons; 42 days. However unvaccinated baboons that recovered naturally and were later exposed to the bacteria did not become colonized at all – zero days.

    So, who is providing better herd immunity in the face of bacterial exposure? Vaccinated individuals who presume they are immune, yet remain asymptomatically colonized for 42 days spreading bacteria? Unvaccinated kids who get infected and remain colonized for 38 days? Or the naturally convalesced who are not able to be colonized and therefore do not spread bacteria at all upon re-exposure? Better still: natural convalescence makes for decades longer, solid immunity than vaccination.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract

    LIVE VACCINES Spread disease.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X11015428

    More on Vaccines spread disease?
    Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24277828 or
    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/publications/search_result_record.cfm?id=48636

    “Our unvaccinated and under-vaccinated population did not appear to contribute significantly to the increased rate of clinical pertussis. Surprisingly, the highest incidence of disease was among previously vaccinated children in the eight to twelve year age group.”
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423127

    We also know that in pertussis (whooping cough) those who are vaccinated are more likely, due to original antigenic sin, to be carriers of the bacteria longer than the non-vaccinated, even when asymptomatic. In his article published in Clinical Infectious Disease in 2004 Full text article available here, Dr. James Cherry pointed out that adults, re-vaccinated against pertussis, don't develop any antibacterial activity whatsoever. He went on to explain why. The current vaccines contain a few antigens, which create “original antigenic sin”, whereby the immune response to the vaccine is abnormal. That first-learned response then becomes the default position the immune system takes, on future booster shots. So in the case of the whooping cough vaccines there are key protein virulence factors which have not been included in the vaccines including ACT, TCF, TCT, as well as BrkA and DNT.

    Because the first three are not included, the default immune response does not prevent colonization, and furthermore, Cherry stated that the “original antigenic sin” results in the vaccinated being unable to clear the bacteria from their lungs. The non-vaccinated have immunity to all the front line virulence factors and very quickly clear the bacteria on re-exposure.
    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/4/502.long

    Association of Childhood Pertussis With Receipt of 5 Doses of Pertussis Vaccine by Time Since Last Vaccine Dose
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1456072

    Acellular Vaccines and Resurgence of Pertussis
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1456027

    Whooping cough resurgence due to vaccinated people not knowing they're infectious?
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150624071018.htm

    Sources of infant pertussis infection in the US
    http://m.pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2015/09/01/peds.2015-1120

    Pertussis epidemic despite high levels of vaccination coverage with acellular pertussis vaccine
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24216286/

  31. Hi Marcie Gawryluk-Chisholm, I have three grown children, I made my decision based on my gut. That doesn't mean I didn't research, I did, I had to make a very difficult choice in 1985, that went against the grain of a lot of people. I'm glad I did. I have three healthy children, all adults now but healthy. They never acquired a lot of child hood diseases, despite me trying to toss them in with kids that were sick. I say to you as an educated mum, do your research, ask your questions, and then trust yourself with your decision. Even if it does fly in the face of some. Best to you,

  32. never, not even for my dogs. No. So twisted, and so corrupt, and biochemically, never would work. Nope.

  33. Check your state's school laws – if they let you opt out at all, they may not let you opt out of some but not others. In other words you might have to opt out of all or none of the vaccines.

  34. I think she said she's Canadian. Zero are mandatory, although most schools say they are. Exemptions are super easy to get, the school doesn't even have to know, it goes to the health unit.

  35. Thanks for all your comments.. My daughter is 14 and she had all her shots when she was little. The DTP is a booster so she recieved the originial shots. This was all done before I knew the dangers.. She never received the meningococcal so that ones new and I did say NO to HPV when she was in grade 5. I am leaning on saying No to all of them at this point. I just dont trust big pharma.. dont trust their cancer cures, their pills and all the coverup. I am all about natural healing and natural eating. So thank you again for all the great responses and all the links to great information.

  36. It is called a Conscientious Objection and if I remember correctly you don't even need a reason.

  37. RESEARCH! full of poisons

  38. In CAlifornia the bill passed to mandate vaccines. It will take effect soon. Other states will surely follow because there is soooo much $$ in this. They say it is to protect society yet these mandated will ofcourse not be applied to the millions of undocumented immigrants living in CA and for some reason it won't apply to homeless children so … How does that make sense that it will protect us?
    My daughter was mostly vaxxed until I educated myself. Then for Kinder there is so much pressure to have all the vax's that I had her titers tested first. She has full antibodies with everythjng. She doesn't need shots! Have your child's titers tested!

  39. Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines FB page is a good source as well.

  40. Ok,i did forget one thing on my earlier post.myson was born in 1988.so this why i said i had him vaccinatedi was surprised at the number of junk in those nowadays.sorry…

  41. Don't vaccinate! Out of my 4 children the only one not vaccinated is well while the others all have problems. It can't be a coincidence. You can pick and choose too, do only vaccines that prevent diseases that kill. I did one vaccine on my daughter due to the high immigrant population here in Wa. But only the 1.

  42. Ask for The ingredients and possible side effects…I'd rather take natural cured and boost The immune system.

  43. Look up Canadian ingredients, then American. The difference is astounding.

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